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	<title>Comments on: Healthcare Meets Darwinism</title>
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	<description>Glorifying Christ; Edifying and Warning the Flock</description>
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		<title>By: Isaiah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isaiah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 05:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the clarification, Casey.

Travis: I was indeed referring to social Darwinism; my apologies for not being too clear about it. :) As for the tagline, I don't think using the term "darwinism" counters the former. I'm boldly proclaiming God's Word in all aspects of life and a Christian worldview on issues. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the clarification, Casey.</p>
<p>Travis: I was indeed referring to social Darwinism; my apologies for not being too clear about it. <img src='http://wordnverse.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> As for the tagline, I don&#8217;t think using the term &#8220;darwinism&#8221; counters the former. I&#8217;m boldly proclaiming God&#8217;s Word in all aspects of life and a Christian worldview on issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Travis Vocino</title>
		<link>http://wordnverse.com/2008/05/08/healthcare-meets-darwinism/comment-page-1/#comment-139</link>
		<dc:creator>Travis Vocino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 05:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Casey, yes that's exactly what I'm talking about.  Your own citation points out that the concept pre-dates Darwin himself.  I believe a lot of the anti-evolution/Darwin nonsense is because of a misunderstanding of the terms and a belief by religious groups that it is something invented by the secular world.

That was my point.

At any rate, I think this thread has gone on too long already :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Casey, yes that&#8217;s exactly what I&#8217;m talking about.  Your own citation points out that the concept pre-dates Darwin himself.  I believe a lot of the anti-evolution/Darwin nonsense is because of a misunderstanding of the terms and a belief by religious groups that it is something invented by the secular world.</p>
<p>That was my point.</p>
<p>At any rate, I think this thread has gone on too long already <img src='http://wordnverse.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Casey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Casey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 01:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...oh, and that would include refusing to treat the elderly or disabled for no other reason than that they are "weak" or "unproductive" members of society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;oh, and that would include refusing to treat the elderly or disabled for no other reason than that they are &#8220;weak&#8221; or &#8220;unproductive&#8221; members of society.</p>
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		<title>By: Casey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Casey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 01:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even without the "and," though, I think the point is simply to concentrate on those with the highest likelihood of survival. So I still can't find anything wrong with it.  :) 

Travis, when "Darwinian" is used in a negative sense it refers to "Social Darwinism." This does not refer to anything the great and noble Darwin proposed. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Darwinism

In the most common sense, it refers not to "allowing nature to take its course" but to "actively attempting to eliminate the weak members of society." The best example of this is the attempted Nazi extermination of Jews and the disabled. 

I don't think that this particular case represents Social Darwinism, but Isaiah's fears are not unfounded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even without the &#8220;and,&#8221; though, I think the point is simply to concentrate on those with the highest likelihood of survival. So I still can&#8217;t find anything wrong with it.  <img src='http://wordnverse.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Travis, when &#8220;Darwinian&#8221; is used in a negative sense it refers to &#8220;Social Darwinism.&#8221; This does not refer to anything the great and noble Darwin proposed.<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Darwinism" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Darwinism</a></p>
<p>In the most common sense, it refers not to &#8220;allowing nature to take its course&#8221; but to &#8220;actively attempting to eliminate the weak members of society.&#8221; The best example of this is the attempted Nazi extermination of Jews and the disabled. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that this particular case represents Social Darwinism, but Isaiah&#8217;s fears are not unfounded.</p>
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		<title>By: Travis Vocino</title>
		<link>http://wordnverse.com/2008/05/08/healthcare-meets-darwinism/comment-page-1/#comment-128</link>
		<dc:creator>Travis Vocino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 00:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isaiah, I still think you're missing the point.

To call something "Darwinian" as if it's a different ruleset than nature is misguided and misinformed.  If your position is that God created the universe, the physics of the universe and each and every particle in the universe (which I'm assuming is your position), that doesn't change how nature actually works.

Calling something "Darwinian" only refers to a specific scientist who was at the forefront of the discoveries.  Evolution, natural selection, biology, etc. are not just discoveries, they simple &lt;em&gt;are&lt;/em&gt;.  That goes for whether a God or Gods set it up that way, or if there was no supernatural elements involved.

Therefore, to use the term "Darwinian" as a negative associated with evil is rather counterproductive to your tagline of "Boldly Proclaiming God's Word."  Darwin didn't &lt;em&gt;create&lt;/em&gt; anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isaiah, I still think you&#8217;re missing the point.</p>
<p>To call something &#8220;Darwinian&#8221; as if it&#8217;s a different ruleset than nature is misguided and misinformed.  If your position is that God created the universe, the physics of the universe and each and every particle in the universe (which I&#8217;m assuming is your position), that doesn&#8217;t change how nature actually works.</p>
<p>Calling something &#8220;Darwinian&#8221; only refers to a specific scientist who was at the forefront of the discoveries.  Evolution, natural selection, biology, etc. are not just discoveries, they simple <em>are</em>.  That goes for whether a God or Gods set it up that way, or if there was no supernatural elements involved.</p>
<p>Therefore, to use the term &#8220;Darwinian&#8221; as a negative associated with evil is rather counterproductive to your tagline of &#8220;Boldly Proclaiming God&#8217;s Word.&#8221;  Darwin didn&#8217;t <em>create</em> anything.</p>
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