Preposterous!
I never thought I’d actually get to say these two words out loud or even type them — “Christian pornography”.
Wow!
Mind you, that “wow” I’m exhaling is not done in joyful excitement, but in total despair that the Church is sliding further and further into complete apostasy.
I think this is the lowest point ever and we should all have seen it coming, really — what with all the initial pushes at the boundaries of good sense with churches distributing flyers in neighborhoods shouting (without shame, I might add) programs at church to realize (to paraphrase the title of a popular book) “Your Best Sex Now!” and even “sex challenges” where married couples are encouraged to have sex everyday for 30 days while singles try to abstain for the same period of time.
Over at Sex In Christ, they are justifying the introduction of “Christian pornography” or “erotica with Biblical foundations” as they call it within the following proposed framework (quoted with my comments right after in italics):
It must depict only married couples engaging in sexual acts. This means that any sexual partners in a Christian porn production must be husband and wife, both on and off screen. All actors must be married in real life and portray married couples on-screen. And they must only be depicted having sex with their wedded spouses.
Right, if its a married couple acting out their coupling on-screen, it’s alright?!
It must portray sex within the context of a Christian marriage. It must be apparent through the actions, behaviors, and speech of the characters portrayed that they are Christian, lead a Christian lifestyle, and have a marriage in which their faith is central. This could be depicted in a variety of ways, with scenes showing a couple praying together, studying the Bible, attending church or church functions, and generally relating to one another as loving Christian spouses outside of the bedroom.
How in the world do you portray sex within the context of a Christian marriage that can be apparent through the actions, behaviors and speech of the characters portrayed?! Will saying “I’m a Christian and God bless you” before someone gets right into the act make it so?! Is it truly Christian if the couple only do it in the missionary position?
It must be instructional. Part of the mission of Christian pornography is to graphically educate married believers in how to achieve more sexual pleasure, intimacy, and closeness in their relationships. It can do this by dramatizing various sexual techniques and positions so that couples can learn how to incorporate them into their lovemaking routines. In their on-screen roles, the actors should model both correct sexual techniques and appropriate sexual attitudes, by being respectful and treating one another’s bodies as the sacred gift from God that they are.
Husband and wife must both receive their due benevolence. This is in keeping with the scriptural mandate of [esvbible reference="1 Corinthians 7:3" header="off" format="link"]1 Corinthians 7:3[/esvbible], which says “Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband.” This means that both sex partners must be shown getting equal pleasure and sexual attention from one another.
No extramarital sex, unless it is to illustrate the downfalls of adultery. The spouses in a Christian porn production must never have adulterous relations, unless they (and their partner in extramarital crime) suffer and are punished fittingly for their sins. (In deference to modern conventions, the punishment does not have to be one mandated by scripture, i.e., being stoned to death.)
So, yea, right, if you want to show the downside of a sin, do the sin itself?
It must be uplifting and inspirational, focusing on strengthening Christian marriage and Christian faith. Christian porn must have an overall positive message. Of course, its primary message would be to demonstrate the sacred use of sexuality and sensuality to reinforce the bonds of Christian marriage. But in all other respects, it should affirm Christian values of community, family, faith, honesty, charity, and so forth. It should show that having a joyous and fulfilling married sex life is one of the fruits of following the path of righteousness.
No profanity. Although exclamations of pleasure are acceptable, as are the natural sounds and vocalizations of lovemaking, Christian porn should contain no profanity or swearing. The participants should address each other lovingly and respectfully at all times. Of course, it goes without saying that the actors will not take the Lord’s name in vain, nor that of his Son.
So, yea, looking at pornographic pictures is bad and so is watching pornographic films, but if you are watching a Christian couple who are married to each other go at it on camera, it’s supposed to be alright and even Biblical?!
I’m speechless with disgust and anger!
Lord Jesus, I can’t wait for your return!
Tags: Marriage, Pornography, Sex
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May 7, 2008 at 2:57
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May 6, 2008 at 23:26
Lincoln
ALLLLLLLL RIGHT, I can finally porn surf with a guilt-free conscience!! FINALLY!
Uh, I mean, how despicable… yeah, digusting…. totally….
May 6, 2008 at 23:37
Jian
Pornography is bad because it draws us into sin; the article gives a proposal that we remove those elements from pornography to turn it into a “Christian” article. Any article thus turns “Christian” as long as it follows biblical guidelines.
Thus, the turning point in the article is:
“The primary purpose of Christian pornography is to allow married Christian couples to better celebrate their sexuality in order to become more intimate with each other and enjoy a closer walk with the Lord.”
In principle, this confines the use of “christian pornography” to married couples only, thus eliminating any possibility of adultery or being impure and thus is somewhat free from sin. Nevertheless, this does not absolve it from being abused and there might be a stronger argument there.
May 7, 2008 at 3:36
dave
What’s wrong with a married couple watching this kind of material instructively?
May 7, 2008 at 4:00
Chris Jones
Great word on Pornography and I enjoy the new site you made, I’m glad your the one who got the domain before anyone else did.
May 7, 2008 at 4:49
Thomas
I’m new to your blog and don’t know whether you’re serious or joking. If you are serious, I should warn you you’re attacking a Bible-backed argument without any Biblical quotations of your own.
I’m speechless, not with disgust and anger, but with great sadness that supposedly Christian bloggers don’t have the basic knowledge of 2 Tim. 3:16, Deut. 4:2, Psalm 111:7-8 and 1 Thes. 2:13.
Please read these as your homework, and don’t follow man-made morality. FOLLOW JESUS!
May 7, 2008 at 4:53
Isaiah
Thank you for dropping by and sharing your thoughts on this, Jian.
I have no opposition to couples, Christian or of other religious convictions, desiring to spice things up in the marriage bed through learning some new things. The issue I have with this is that (1) they are calling it “Christian pornography” and (2) there are other less offensive ways to learn similar lessons without having to get a married couple to do the horizontal samba on film and getting others to watch them do it.
Pornography is pornography, period, no matter who appears on film. Whether its a married couple that’s performing, or if it’s a Christian couple that’s performing is of no bearing.
May 7, 2008 at 4:55
Isaiah
Dave,
Thank you for dropping by. In response to your question, please see my reply to Jian.
May 7, 2008 at 4:57
Isaiah
Welcome to the blog, Thomas.
I hope you’re joking.
Are you saying that anyone who quotes Bible verses to back up his argument, no matter if he misquotes them or twists the passages to suit his agenda should not be questioned?
Are you also implying that “Christian pornography” is acceptable, and that it is “man-made morality” that stops us Christians from enjoying pornography if the “Christian” label is slapped on it? If that’s what I think you’re proposing, I’ll take your advice and flee from you, Thomas, and follow Christ Jesus.
May 7, 2008 at 5:03
Vincent Chia
Isaiah,
Pornography is often a taboo subject, and I find very few bloggers tackling this important issue (which has plagued thousands - or I dare say tens of thousands - of Christian man and ministers!). So you have done us a favor by posting on this delicate and sensitive subject matter.
Christ’s word in the Sermon on the Mount reminds us that looking at another woman/man to lust after her/him is adultery in God’s eyes. So, let alone blatant pornography, even a “spicy” advertisement can entice us to sin …
May God help us to FLEE from sexual sins!
In Christ,
Vincent
May 7, 2008 at 5:10
Isaiah
Thanks for the encouragement, Vincent.
I am a hot-blooded man as well and I can say it’s not easy at all. Temptations abound around every corner, and even if you aren’t looking for them, sometimes they can jump at you out of the blue and play with your mind.
To be brutally honest, it’s a fact that many of us Christian men struggle with pornography.
May 7, 2008 at 9:03
Chris
Hi Thomas,
Just want to respond to your post. I appreciate the respect you have towards the Scriptures, something that is often lost in today’s postmodern environment. However, respecting the Scriptures also means interpreting and understanding each verse in a way faithful to its context…that way the verse takes on their own meaning instead of the meaning we impose upon them…
1.) For example 2 Timothy 3:16 is a verse describing the Old Testament (no New Testament existed during Paul’s time, NT only came into being after the Church Councils of 367 and 397 A.D.), and it was telling Timothy to hold fast to what the Old Testament has to say about the gospel, versus the teachings of false teachers in the Ephesian Church. The former saves, the latter destroys.
2.) Deuteronomy 4:2 is a command to the Jewish people not to add or subtract from the Law of Moses, because the Law of Moses represented an Ancient Near-Eastern type of treaty between Israel’s God and Israel. The treaty was not to be broken or modified at Israel’s whim, and from the larger context of Deuteronomy 4, the expected response to the treaty is obedience to the Jewish Law.
3.) Psalm 111 Does talk about the reliability of the Scriptures, but in the sense of how they demonstrate the covenant faithfulness of God to Israel. Coming back to the treaty nature of the Law, this most probably means that the presence of the laws of Moses themselves already demonstrate God’s faithful and upright dealings with Israel, because they are a fulfilment of God’s promises to Israel’s fathers.
4.) 1 Thessalonians 2:13 uses “word of God” in a way quite characteristic of Paul: it refers specifically to the gospel message, rather than to a set of writings. Paul usually has a different term for the written Scripture texts…”graphe” in the Greek, literally, “writings”.
So, none of those verses, when properly understood, actually justify simply tagging a verse onto an argument to back it up. In fact, that practice is called “proof-texting”, a very flawed interpretive method that doesn’t pay attention to what the Bible is actually saying in its own terms.
I hope this spurs your reflections on the Scriptures even more. Because I am a Protestant…sola Scriptura!
May 7, 2008 at 9:04
Chris
Ok, many instances of bad grammar there…but it’s 12 in the morning where I am typing from. To think I am an English teacher. Bah.
May 7, 2008 at 9:19
Isaiah
Welcome, Chris, and thank you for taking the time to expound on those verses in context. It’s very much appreciated, brother.
Soli deo Gloria!
May 7, 2008 at 11:15
BobbyK
I am absolutely speechless. Pornography is pornography. There are plenty of books out that “talk” of ways to spice up the bedroom part of a marriage. But I won’t read those either.
I think that the best way to improve sex in the marriage is to communicate your desires to each other. Be open and honest with the desires that you have to one another. And ask your spouse what they would like to try. Change is good…real good. If you are in a secure marriage, only good could come from that. If you can’t be open in this area then there are other areas that you should be concerned about, not sex.
It is absolutely amazing the level of intimacy you can reach when you share your desires with each other, without fear of rejection. Can you imagine what it would be like if making love to your spouse was like the first time….every time? It’s even better than that.
I better stop writing now…my office is getting warm for some reason.
God bless!
May 7, 2008 at 11:39
channelofhealing
TERRIBLY GODLESS AND SHAMELESS PEOPLE!!! what is wrong with them? am pretty sure so many Christians will agree with this..
Isaiah this is a “big nonsense” if there is any word like that to describe this.
I urge you to keep doing the great work you are doing
can see the blog is back on full force.
Godbless
May 7, 2008 at 13:05
kingskid
Hello Isaiah,
I am so happy that your hiatus was short-lived.
Continue to be a watchman on the wall, because this
is only the beginning.
Satan’s time is short and we all know that he does not
play fair and he uses every means possible to convince
humanity that God is a liar, that has been his MO from t
the start–”And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye
shall not surely die:”.
Know your enemy–he IS A LIAR.
Always has been;
always will be
Peace
May 7, 2008 at 19:26
LaVrai
I can’t justify this. Marriage is not about sex. Married couples should have sex, as it is a healthy part of married life. But sex cannot become your focus, your idol — I don’t see how it’s OK to purposely stimulate the senses so that you can fulfill the pleasures of the flesh.
You’re purposefully attempting to put yourself into a lustful state. And where does it end? How often do you watch?
Pornography is filth…the ends do not justify the means (and why don’t you have natural desire for your mate, anyway?). The body is a temple. Keep the marriage bed holy. Do not take these things lightly. And don’t forget, you are exposing yourself to someone else’s nakedness when watching these things. Don’t take such a matter lightly.
If you want to do as the rest of the world, fine. But don’t pretend you’re still clinging to the Christian Gospel.
And you are indeed putting the desires of the flesh over the Spirit every time you do this. You are making yourself a slave of sex and lust, and instead of thinking on the things of GOD, your HOLY FATHER, you’re putting your mind on things that corrupt the flesh and destroy the soul.
There is no such thing as ‘Christian pornography’ for Jesus Christ is in there nowhere.
When you start making concessions, people, you should know the Devil has found a wedge.
May 7, 2008 at 20:09
Vincent Chia
Just because Daniel and I oppose homosexuality as a sin, we have been honored with this award from a pro-homosexual, ex-Christian.
http://edmundlaukm.blogspot.com/2008/05/fish-on-bicycle-award-2008-you-know-you.html
Reference:
http://edmundlaukm.blogspot.com/2008/04/real-sin-of-sodomy.html
May 7, 2008 at 20:38
Carol
Amen Lavrai!!!!
May 7, 2008 at 20:54
Shalene
Hi Isaiah, Bobby and I were perusing some blogs, and he suggested I come see this post. I cannot believe that there are actually professing Christians that think this is ok!!!
As one of the other comments stated, the Bible clearly states that we are to keep the marriage bed pure! The marriage bed is not pure, when we allow anyone else into it, whether by video, or in person. And even if there were an acceptable thing as “Christian Pornography” where in the world do these people get the idea that a 3rd person should EVER be allowed into the bed with them- with or without the other woman’s husband’s permission! The thought of this just absolutely disgusts me. Having said that then, there are books that are not pornographic at all, that help couples that are having difficulties in the area of their sex life, or are just starting out in their marriages, and have not yet reached a place where they feel free enough to tell each other what they need. They are written by Christian Psychologists and Doctors. One such book is entitled “Created for Intimacy” and it addresses medical issues that effect the bedroom as well. I have no problem with Christian couples getting help for sexual issues from qualified Christian professionals, but I cannot for one moment condone anything remotely resembling “Christian Porn.” I’d like to know too…just how is a Christian couple supposed to show coming home from church functions and then jumping into bed??!! Yes God created us all for intimacy and it’s a gift from Him, but to go straight from prayer to sex…there just doesn’t seem to be any reverence in that thought. Ok enough for now. Blessings to you!
May 7, 2008 at 22:18
Isaiah
heya Bobby, thank you for dropping by, brother! I think you need to get the thermostat in your office checked though.
On a serious note, I totally agree with you. Open communication is key as both my wife and I have learned in our decade of marriage. A wise old couple in church once told me that instead of the relationship going stale, a strong Christian marriage is like aged wine — delicious.
They also advised that when intimacy is also present in other areas of a couple’s life, achieved when both husband and wife love each other as God has taught us to, there’s no need to fret about issues in the bedroom that the world cares about, e.g. performance. We’ve found that to be very true.
May 7, 2008 at 22:21
Isaiah
CoH:
Great to see you again, sister.
You’re right, many Christians will actually accept this nonsense unfortunately. We are in the days of the great falling away. It’s my personal opinion that things won’t get better, only worse and we’ll see more and more heresies crop up and the Truth suppressed and twisted.
Thank you very much for the kind words and encouragement!
May 7, 2008 at 22:25
Isaiah
Shalom, Kings Kid, my good sister! You have encouraged me by visiting my new blog; thank you!
I totally agree with you — time is short for the devil and he’s getting really desperate. It’ll get more difficult to get the Truth out as even a majority of Christians succumb to the falsehoods and silence all that warn by calling us unloving, Jezebels and worse names.
May 7, 2008 at 22:25
Isaiah
Well said, LaVrai, and AMEN!
May 7, 2008 at 22:29
Isaiah
Vincent:
Wow, I can just feel the love for you oozing out from that blog.
I read that article you linked, and wished I didn’t because it just made me sick to the stomach! That person should be a performer that twists those tube balloons into various shapes — he’s already very good at it doing the same on Scripture!
May 7, 2008 at 22:36
Isaiah
Welcome back, Shalene!
I agree with you. We must recognize that there are Christian couples out there who face issues in the marriage bed but they need to get help from their local pastor and elders instead of enlisting the help of worldly counselors or *GASP!* ‘Christian pornography’. The point you made about not allowing pornography in as if it’s a third person in the marriage bed is a very, very good point!
May 10, 2008 at 16:48
Free
Hi Isaiah!
I typed an earlier message to you, but lost it in the editing phase due to my own error.
Ditto what most everyone else has stated here, but mostly I wanted to say hello and the new site looks great. Much love and respect to you for the work you’re carrying on here.
Love in Messiah,
Free
May 21, 2008 at 14:59
Isaiah
Shalom, sis Free:
Thank you for dropping by and the encouragement!
May 25, 2008 at 9:34
Brenda
May 25, 2008 at 12:51
Isaiah
I seriously hope that whoever wrote that did it in jest and it’s not for real. Then again, it won’t surprise me one bit if it were true. Some churches are more concerned about the sex lives of their congregants than their salvation nowadays…
I agree with a particular pastor (can’t remember offhand who now) who said that while techniques and all in the bedroom can be worked on, intimacy between a couple starts with having a right relationship with God and actually seeing the marriage as a representation of Christ and His Church.