I read Deadpris’ petition to the ping.sg community leader to ban a blog that has for some time now been dissing the gay community with some amusement.
After a tirade against him and stating that she doesn’t tolerate discrimination and that the offending blogger has been using the community to push his anti-homosexuality agenda, she calls on fellow bloggers to vote him out to indicate that they are “humane and tolerating and understanding”.
She’s asking others to vote him out in the name of tolerance because she herself cannot tolerate his “alternative” views?
Hold on, have a piece of cake or something while I go laugh myself silly.
Well, so much for the word “tolerating” here and her own level of tolerance, eh?
Oh, of course, I forget. Tolerance in this day and age just means that I tolerate you because you agree with my views, and not because you are actually different and I accept you for what you are, believe in, and stand for.
Now, while I don’t agree with how Shadowfox writes about and ridicules homosexuals, there’s truth to what he writes about homosexuality, especially the fact that homosexuality is learned behavior and not natural, and there’s no such thing as a homosexual gene in human beings. All that’s made up by the gay lobby to push their agenda.
And, yes, to God, homosexuality is an abomination. I included that in case you’re wondering what my stance is.
Deadpris goes on to assert that
And to clarify, homosexuality IS NOT a mental disease (it used to be classified as a mental disorder many years ago). There is NO PROOF that homosexuality is a choice and not a genetic one. Homosexuals ARE HUMANS TOO.
I’m sorry, Miss, but it is a disorder, and while you assert that there is no proof that homosexuality is a choice but genetic, please produce evidence to support your claims. I think you’ve bought into the lies of the gay lobby hook, line and sinker.
What I’d agree with you, Deadpris, though, is that homosexuals are people too and deserve the same level of respect that is accorded everyone.
And “everyone” includes Shadowfox who should be free to express his views on homosexuality, though I hope he will do it in a more polite manner in future. At least someone has their head screwed on right and isn’t buying into the lies spun by the gay lobby.
Tags: Homosexuality, Tolerance
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I agree that everyone is entitled to their views, so if someone did a blogpost saying Christianity is a lie, you will not be calling for Uzyn to ban the person right?
And I also am with you on the stand that there should be more constructive and polite discussion, rather then the flaming that is going on (then again as someone who hangs around gaming forums, flaming is always nice to watch)
Cheers man, when are you gonna join the rest of the ex-Creed for steamboat.
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Adrian:
They are entitled to their views if they think Christianity is a lie. Besides, he or she won’t be the only one — there are so many sites out there discrediting Christianity and Creation.
The Information Age means that we counter false information with accurate data on our end. Banning is not the solution and never should be.
On another note, you guys still meeting? Hmm… when things are more settled on my end, I will.
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Yup, with the internet there is information overload.
Do let me know once your are more settled
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Adrian:
Yep, as I indicated to you at ping, it’d be hypocritical for anyone to call for a clampdown on someone else’s views if the former demands the right to express theirs.
Aye, I’ll drop you an email then.
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Love the sinner, hate the sin. We make choices every day to sin or not. That choice either leads me to God or away. I have worked in the mental health community for years and I do not see homosexuality as a disorder. It is a choice. Even, in this day and age “A fade”.
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[...] Sicarii says Priss is being kinda hypocritical, claiming that she’s pointing fingers at Shadowfox for being intolerant.. when she *cough*. [...]
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I kind of get the idea when people talk about “it’s a choice to be gay”, it actually means that they have a choice to be sexually attracted to men and to act upon it or not to act upon it.
Sacarii, you mentioned you’ve known ex-gays that claims that being gay was learnt and not natural, mind clarifying that with me (by email also can)? I am curious about the topic.
Also, please note that my post was aiming at the bigotry and gay-bashing statements Shadowfox was making. I don’t know why everyone is focusing on Gay agenda and banning (freedom of speech) agenda. I guess everyone’s missing the point the moment my post conflicts your beliefs.
I really cannot stand for hate and condone his behaviour. Trying to proof the causation of gays seems meaningless now, because no one gets my point. *sigh*
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LOL chillycraps…..
Honestly, I don’t care if he gets banned or not. Nothing changes even he gets banned. He’s still a gay basher and there are so many gay bashers out there.
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Linc: I’m experiencing deja vu here… I think you made a similar comment once, lol! Something new please, mate!
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Priss - I use to identify myself as a homosexual, and God set me free. It is a sin, and we can CHOOSE whether we want to sin or not. We are all born sinners, so for people to say “I was born gay”, is somewhat true. I use to lie because I was born a liar. However, I CHOOSE not to do it because it doesn’t please the heart of God, and He has made a way out for any temptation.
No one has an excuse in this world for the judgement that is coming to them, but everyone has gotten comfortable with justifying their evil to the point where their consciences have been seared, and they can’t even recognize what is good and what is evil.
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While I don’t want to get into a long debate on this, I just have to point out that I have known many homosexual people throughout my life (both male and female) and of those I have known, it certainly was NOT learned behaviour, or choice. They were extremely unhappy and would have given anything to have been, so called, normal. It is only in more recent years that homosexuals have come out from the shadows.
The sad thing is that the younger generation have no idea what homosexual lives were like before this ‘freedom’ to express themselves. The amount of suicides that happened because they couldn’t accept that way of living. The miserable existence of having to live, hidden and frightened, with the threat of imprisonment. Do you really think they chose that? Many did everything they could to avoid it, getting married and having families, only to break the hearts of the whole family because they were unable to continue with the double life.
I have a dear, Christian friend, who’s husband was beaten to death for being homosexual. His children have had to grow up with that stigma. His wife had to come to terms with, not only his death, but finding out that he, also, had married in an attempt to deny his homosexuality.
There are people, throughout the world, that have been born with organs of both sexes, also people with high levels of hormones of the opposite sex - choice? I don’t think so. I cannot begin to discuss the varying levels of homosexuality out there, so to label it all as ‘learned behaviour’ and ‘choice’ is a blinkered approach.
More recently I heard of a young Christian boy, from a Christian family, who was heavily involved within the church. He did everything to change the fact that he believed he was homosexual. He had prayer, aversion therapy - everything! He ended up committing suicide because he couldn’t live with something that went against his Christian teachings. Choice?
I will agree that there may be some, or many, who do choose this way of life, more for an ‘experience’ now that it is more acceptable within society, but we can’t make sweeping ‘cover all’ statements.
I believe that, as Christians, we are duty bound to learn more about all levels of homosexuality, and not only from a Christian standpoint, before making judgements and comments that are insulting to those people that have to live lives that they would never choose for themselves.
Perhaps Christians are a little nervous of listening to ‘non’ Christian teachings on this subject, because it will conflict with what we believe. We like to have biblical answers to all problems but we don’t have them all. Life isn’t black and white and we are not God.
I do not mean to offend anybody with this comment, but you can tell I feel deeply about remarks made without any real knowledge of this very diverse subject.
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Babs:
Thank you for that insightful contribution. I’d be first to admit that I don’t know everything there’s to know about homosexuality, and that as Christians we can learn more about this issue in order that we might better reach out to those who are homosexuals.
I’d agree that life isn’t black and white, but God’s laws are clear and black and white on this issue. As a Christian, I uphold God’s laws though you can rightly point out that that does not mean we insult homosexuals, but should instead reach out to them in love.
I’m just curious: how do you feel about the gay lobby’s efforts to push their agenda that homosexuality should be accepted as an “alternative lifestyle”?
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I generally don’t get too involved in discussions about these topics, because I am a Christian and know the biblical teachings. I also see that things are not that cut and dried for many homosexuals. Obviously, I feel that it would be a bad move, for many reasons. It would certainly open the floodgates for those that just want to experiment for flesh reasons. I also think that maybe it is inevitable , as that is the way the world is going - further and further away from God. I will never have the answers, just more questions really :O)
I try to watch as many documentaries on Christianity and the bible as I can, along with some secular programmes. Some I dismiss, some enlighten me further, and some create more questions. It never threatens my faith! I never want to be a ‘blind’ believer, as somebody once, incorrectly, called me!
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Isaiah: LOL, I need new material.
Regarding homosexuality, there may be credence to the claim that it’s genetic, but I think people forget that this shouldn’t be a surprise, since genes make up our flesh, and the Bible has plenty of things to say about our flesh, none of them good. The carnal mind is enmity against God and can never be subject to His laws. We are all born with a corrupted flesh that would hold us bondage to sin, whether it’s homosexuality, alcoholism, gluttony, anger, etc. I see people try to excuse homosexuality because people are “born that way,” but we’re ALL born in sin, inheriting the same fallen sin nature suffered by Adam. What in our flesh then could ever be considered natural or acceptable before God?If the Bible tells us our flesh is irredeemable, then we should also believe it when it promises deliverance over what Paul calls our body of death. If homosexuality is a sin, then it is a sin that has been remitted in full by the shed blood of Christ.
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LOL, Linc.
What you said is quite right, brother, and echo the views in a post “The Genetic Problem of Sin” written by WarAnalyst which I very much agree with as well.
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